MacVoices #24012: MVL – The New York Times, ChatGPT, and Lawsuits

Chuck JoinerDavid Ginsburg, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jim ReaEric Bolden, Jeff GametMark Fuccio, Web Bixby, and special guest James Baraniak consider the lawsuit filed by The New York Times over using their articles to train ChatGPT. This isn’t the first such lawsuit and isn’t going to be the last. What constitutes “fair use” in a world filled with Large Language  Models and developing AI? The panel digs in. 


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Show Notes:


0:00:00 The New York Times sues over training chat GPT
0:02:50 Speculation on the future of compensation for AI training sources
0:04:52 Licensing for Playing Music in Stores
0:06:43 The Definition of Learning: Feeding Data into Computers
0:07:35 Concerns about scraped content and plagiarism in OpenAI
0:08:46 Plagiarism and the Issue of Derivative Works
0:10:25 The Impact of Large Language Models and Questions of Veracity
0:14:48 A Prompt Error in Article Generation
0:16:18 Lawsuit Threat to Improve Model Caution
0:16:34 Introduction: Coda, your all-in-one collaborative workspace
0:18:21 The Evolution of Chat GPT Models
0:19:49 Lawsuit and Compensation Dispute
0:20:45 The Impact of Non-Paywalled Articles on Advertisements
0:22:16 Legal Issues Surrounding Rebroadcasting and LLM Models
0:23:33 Archiving Websites and the Ethics of Preservation
0:25:26 Evaluating the Value and Protection of Online Content


Disagreements in the age of AI: The New York Times sues OpenAI and Microsoft for copyright infringement


Web Bixby has been in the insurance business for 40 years and has been an Apple user for longer than that.You can catch up with him on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.

James Baraniak is a biochemist with a passion for bridging science with law. He is majorly invested in all sorts of tech, particularly fond of video games, and have work previously in advising others in terms of electronics. You may reach him on X (formerly Twitter) @JustSimplyJames and watch him on RedButtonJamfest on Twitch.

Eric Bolden is into macOS, plants, sci-fi, food, and is a rural internet supporter. You can connect with him on Twitterby email at [email protected], on Mastodon at @[email protected], and on his blog, Trending At Work.

Brian Flanigan-Arthurs is an educator with a passion for providing results-driven, innovative learning strategies for all students, but particularly those who are at-risk. He is also a tech enthusiast who has a particular affinity for Apple since he first used the Apple IIGS as a student. You can contact Brian on twitter as @brian8944. He also recently opened a Mastodon account at @[email protected].

Mark Fuccio is actively involved in high tech startup companies, both as a principle at, or as a marketing advisor through his consulting practice Tactics Sells High Tech, Inc. Mark was a proud investor in Microsoft from the mid-1990’s selling in mid 2000, and hopes one day that MSFT will be again an attractive investment. You can contact Mark through Twitter, LinkedIn, or on Mastodon.

Jeff Gamet is a technology blogger, podcaster, author, and public speaker. Previously, he was The Mac Observer’s Managing Editor, and the TextExpander Evangelist for Smile. He has presented at Macworld Expo, RSA Conference, several WordCamp events, along with many other conferences. You can find him on several podcasts such as The Mac Show, The Big Show, MacVoices, Mac OS Ken, This Week in iOS, and more. Jeff is easy to find on social media as @jgamet on Twitter and Instagram, jeffgamet on LinkedIn., @[email protected] on Mastodon, and on his YouTube Channel at

David Ginsburg is the host of the weekly podcast In Touch With iOS where he discusses all things iOS, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, and related technologies. He is an IT professional supporting Mac, iOS and Windows users. Visit his YouTube channel at and find and follow him on Twitter @daveg65 and on Mastodon at @[email protected]

Jim Rea built his own computer from scratch in 1975, started programming in 1977, and has been an independent Mac developer continuously since 1984. He is the founder of ProVUE Development, and the author of Panorama X, ProVUE’s ultra fast RAM based database software for the macOS platform. He’s been a speaker at MacTech, MacWorld Expo and other industry conferences. Follow Jim at and via @[email protected] on Mastodon.


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