MacVoices #23238: MacVoices Live! – Apple Drops Leather and CSAM Scanning (1)

A catch-up/pre-Apple Event MacVoices Live! session with Chuck JoinerDavid GinsburgJim ReaWeb Bixby, Eric Bolden, and Ben Roethig looks at Apple moving away from leather for their products, the decision to abandon CSCAM efforts, and the inevitable criticism that follows. (Part 1) 

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Show Notes:


0:00:00 Apple Drops Leather and CSAM Scanning
0:05:45 Apple Rumored to Move Away from Leather Watch Bands
0:10:44 Discussion on the Variety of Colors for Solo Loop Bands
0:12:01 Leather Alternatives: A Game Changer for Apple?
0:14:16 Apple’s Controversial CSAM Scanning Decision
0:16:25 Balancing Privacy and Safety Concerns for Apple
0:19:06 Should Apple Have Stayed Silent About CSAM Scanning?
0:20:10 Apple’s initial discussion and decision not to implement scanning
0:22:01 Speculation and concerns about CSAM on Apple’s servers
0:24:59 Apple’s Discontinuation of Scanning Raises Privacy Concerns
0:26:20 Apple’s Standoff with the FBI in the San Bernardino Case
0:26:49 Privacy Concerns and Technological Impossibilities
0:27:17 Technology: Scanning for Offensive Images and Pre-Blurring
0:28:44 Filtering Images: Giving Users More Control and Power


Apple again defends its reasons for abandoning iCloud CSAM scanning

Spotify testing requiring a Premium subscription to view song lyrics


Web Bixby has been in the insurance business for 40 years and has been an Apple user for longer than that.You can catch up with him on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.

Eric Bolden is into macOS, plants, sci-fi, food, and is a rural internet supporter. You can connect with him on Twitterby email at [email protected], on Mastodon at @[email protected], and on his blog, Trending At Work.

Brian Flanigan-Arthurs is an educator with a passion for providing results-driven, innovative learning strategies for all students, but particularly those who are at-risk. He is also a tech enthusiast who has a particular affinity for Apple since he first used the Apple IIGS as a student. You can contact Brian on twitter as @brian8944. He also recently opened a Mastodon account at @[email protected].

David Ginsburg is the host of the weekly podcast In Touch With iOS where he discusses all things iOS, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, and related technologies. He is an IT professional supporting Mac, iOS and Windows users. Visit his YouTube channel at and find and follow him on Twitter @daveg65 and on Mastodon at @[email protected]

Jim Rea built his own computer from scratch in 1975, started programming in 1977, and has been an independent Mac developer continuously since 1984. He is the founder of ProVUE Development, and the author of Panorama X, ProVUE’s ultra fast RAM based database software for the macOS platform. He’s been a speaker at MacTech, MacWorld Expo and other industry conferences. Follow Jim at and via @[email protected] on Mastodon.

Ben Roethig has been in the Apple Ecosystem since the System 7 Days. He is the a former Associate Editor with Geek Beat, Co-Founder of The Tech Hangout and Deconstruct and currently shares his thoughts on RoethigTech. Contact him on  Twitter and Mastodon.


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